America's Funniest President: Mo Udall Presidency & Beyond
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It'd certainly be better for Russia than ending up as an incredibly corrupt republic led by an ex-KGB agent who's all but crowned himself as Czar.
Yeah definitely though if you like at Russia, it's always been pretty autocratic, before and after the USSR. Same for China and... most if not all the nations that went communist back in the Cold War. They were pretty autocratic (I think they were all monarchies) prior to becoming communist.
You're right, many, if not all Warsaw Pact nations were monarchies once.
If policies regarding climate change wasn't ASB then Indian Punjab joining Pakistani Punjab definitely is. In Bengal which was partitioned too there is still a nostalgia regarding unified Bengal there is no such thing in Punjab as all feelings of Punjabi unity died in the flames of partition and Indian crackdown in the timeline never reached such levels that the people would start even considering joining Pakistan. Most of the people who lived through the partition are still alive and know how bad it was what position they had in Pakistan.
I believe that you are not even aware that Indian Punjab was split into three states of Punjab Haryana and Himachal Pradesh and the Union Territory of Chandigarh which means that the Sikhs and the Hindus are going to be outnumbered by a huge margin more than during partition and they also know what happened to the Bengalis who refused to submit to the will of the Punjabis in 1971.
The only people willing to merge Indian Punjab with Pakistan are the Sikh expats who are hardly reperesentative of the people. Moreover concerns such as Punjab's river flowing through the other states before entering Punjab and irrigation projects supporting Haryana and Rajasthan. It would tke a total destruction of the Indian government as a wholeA to let Punjab go.
Operation Blue Star outraged many but that's hardly anything for joining Pakistan the 1984 anti Sikh Riots were a sort of St. Bartholomew day massacre and the events would have faded with the war with Pakistan such a victory tends to start a phase of national unity. And even during Blue Star none of the Sikh soldiers refused to participate in the mission despite being given the opportunity to pass. The most that can happen is that a low level insurgency remains.
I believe that you are not even aware that Indian Punjab was split into three states of Punjab Haryana and Himachal Pradesh and the Union Territory of Chandigarh which means that the Sikhs and the Hindus are going to be outnumbered by a huge margin more than during partition and they also know what happened to the Bengalis who refused to submit to the will of the Punjabis in 1971.
The only people willing to merge Indian Punjab with Pakistan are the Sikh expats who are hardly reperesentative of the people. Moreover concerns such as Punjab's river flowing through the other states before entering Punjab and irrigation projects supporting Haryana and Rajasthan. It would tke a total destruction of the Indian government as a wholeA to let Punjab go.
Operation Blue Star outraged many but that's hardly anything for joining Pakistan the 1984 anti Sikh Riots were a sort of St. Bartholomew day massacre and the events would have faded with the war with Pakistan such a victory tends to start a phase of national unity. And even during Blue Star none of the Sikh soldiers refused to participate in the mission despite being given the opportunity to pass. The most that can happen is that a low level insurgency remains.
And how the policies ASB exactly? Just because they're not like OTL? This isn't the hypercapitalist economic free-for-all put in by Reagan and enabled by his supporters. You are aware of that, right?
The point is to show how different things could be with just a couple of changed elections. Udall had a pretty good environmental record and if things came to light about fossil fuels sooner, a more left-leaning government would be pressured to do something, epecially in light of prior changes.
And yes I am aware about the issue of Haryana and Himachal Pradesh as well as the issue regarding Chandigarh. Perhaps don't make assumptions of what I know and what I don't know. And given what I read, there did seem to be a fair bit of support and there's more domestic support here now because they changed tactics. You are aware of that, right? Because I did put that down.
Given your comparison to St. Bartholomew day massacre, the massacre actually radicalized the remaining folk that weren't killed or intimidated into reconverting. Which... isn't the case here. I don't think Sikhs converted to Hinduism nor was there such a massive bloodshed like there in comparison.
Honestly, we can discuss more in conversation if you want rather than turn this into a rage fest. I can understand having concerns, but there's no need to be such a jerk about it.
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1989 Overview
1989 Overview
With President Reubin Askew having been sworn in as president, his administration is already shaping to be taking a different direction than that of his predecesor. While he has kept his focus on maintaining the long term reforms such as on electrifying the rails and the nuclear power plants that were started by Udall, he seemed to slow down somewhat on the reforms for the most part, though this was mainly because of his plan to switch to political reforms regarding Washington DC and so on. This included his executive action against lobbying along with outlining some potential legislation that would primarily affect Congress. Potential legislation such as restricting owning stock while being in Congress along with other ideas that he saw necessary to help maintain political integrity and financial transparency. Another difference he had when compared with his predecessor was an increased presence in foreign affairs. While Udall focused on domestic policy and retreated somewhat from the world, President Askew found himself and his nation in a changing world. One that saw Soviet Union and their holdings falling apart and approaching a changing point, along with that of many other nations. As such, there would be the need to maintain that presence for American interests. That said, American interests have shifted since Udall first took power, being more laid back and diplomatic, and generally more focused on keeping things from becoming chaotic more anything else.
Economically, things were quite in full swing and the technological sector was becoming more and more appealing for people to enter as a career. So much so that various state, especially those that were seeing a decline in their industrial sectors, were looking to try and court some of these companies with incentives. After all, coputers were becoming more popular and the release of the Nintendo Game Pal, a handheld video game system, would help bring about a fresh wave of enthusiasts who enjoy playing video games and further connecting them. Another economic change came with the American Plastic Regulation Act, a piece of legislation to curb the use of single-use plastics from the production angle. This one piece of legislation would have a profound affect over on American culture and beyond, especially as many venues and establishments would scramble to adjust to this new way of being. Despite the down turns caused by the failures of various savings and loans institutions, the Askew Administration has responded by another round of a stimulus package, especially by those affected and other individuals.
Abroad, the world was changing alot over the course of one year. The Warsaw Pact was dissolving and it was a matter on when rather than if, especially as more and more of them were pushing for political change. It started with Poland and it began going from there as seen with the Baltic nations, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and many of the others. At the same time, the benefits of things seen from Gorbachev's reforms gave an indication that certain models such as a mixed economy and market socialism would remain in some form or fashion in these states. Even the Soviet Union was trying to change how it was conducting its political activites, especially with Gorbachev trying to circumvent the more hardline members opposed to change within his own party. He would not be the only one dealing with this issue however. Over in the People's Republic of China, General Secretary Zhao Ziyang managed to calm down a series of protests over at Tiananmen Square, due to the angry student protestors desiring democrating reforms. Howeve, he would butt heads with the premier Li Peng, who being a hardliner, saw these protests and new organizations as a threat to the party. After failing to go behind his back, Li Peng would become informally targeted by China's "paramount leader" of the time, Deng Xiaoping, who would be marshalling his support to try and oust Li Peng and his supporters from power in order to continue his reforms, all while eyeing the Soviets and seeing what could be learned from there. China's rival in India was also on the verge of facing changes. After Afghanistan and India's victory over Pakistan in the Afghan-Pakistani War, India no longer had to worry on their old bitter rival, leaving them without a boogeyman to project their problems on. While there was a rush of unit and sense of patriotism from the victory, enough for Rajiv Gandhi to win reelection and remain in charge of India in spite of the scandals. However, this leaves him still with an increasingly unstable economy along with growing discontent upon the population.
In the entertainment sphere, one of the big news was on Marvel Comics. After a bidding war for them, it would go to none other than former Marvel editor Jim Shooter via Voyager Communications or more accurately, to Voyager Communications and their predominant backer, none other than Paramount Communications. Much like how Time-Warner owned all of DC Comics' properties, Paramount knows has it with Marvel. Jim Shooter, back in Marvel, went ahead with a plan agreed with editor DeFalco in rebooting the Marvel Comic universe. In a sense, wiping most of the slate clean with a fresh start. This was done to freshen up the stories, with the events being brought about by one final grand arc. Shooter himself notes that one of the big reasons for this move was the popularity of Tim Burton's Batman film, which would see the caped crusader over on the big screen with Batman vs the Joker. It brought plenty of faith and renewed hope in superhero films, serving as quite a pleasant light despite all the issues going over in Hollywood. Despite the situation which would see various prominent figures be brought in for questioning on sexual assault and begin confronting the dark side of Hollywood, films were still coming out and captivating the audience.
Beyond Batman giving new life to superhero films, Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade brought to life a new style of pulp two-fisted tales and adventures going on. Dead Poets Society touched plenty of hearts while Disney would once more impress audience with The Little Mermaid, being an impressive feat, showing Ariel's journey and her facing off against Ursula, an old foe of her father and noted for her characterization being based on of real estate mogul, Donald Trump, (due to a writer having been inspired by The Art of the Deal), which would become more infamous due to the mogul being tried for various accusations. Other films included Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, Back to the Future II, When Harry Met Sally and Weekend at Bernie's. One film that wouldn't get released, at least this year, would be Spike Lee's project, Do The Right Thing, which people have attributed to the need for various rewrites and a controversy caused by an actress regarding a nude scene, something reported by Gloria Jean Watkins aka "bell hooks", a prominent writer and figure in third wave feminism. While concerns over the films' fate was held, it would be released next year thanks to various donations, especially thanks to various actors and reviewers who have seen rough copies and deemed it good enough it needed to be finished. Television meanwhile would see various releases such as Chip n Dale: Rescue Rangers, Seinfeld, Doogie Howser, M.D. and most notably, The Simpsons. Video games would see the release of Super Mario Bros 3 among many others and showing that video games were still going quite strong.
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Well, got some interesting ideas and I’m organizing stuff to try and keep track of what’s coming.
And yeah, no Ghostbusters 2, at least yet. Back To The Future II would be quite different though still not really sure how.
would like to hear suggestions and thoughts on that. C:
maybe alt 1985 Biff is based off somebody other than Trump, perhaps one of the Philip Morris or fossil fuel executives that got caught up int he mid-80s scandals
Perhaps there are tidbits of more equality rights throughout the movie, especially in the "future" of 2015. I think Jennifer might have a more significant role in the movie rather than being knocked out for the majority of it. Maybe a possible subplot starring her might arise in Back to the Future 2 but idk. Thoughts?
First movie has a different ending and with a different plot hook. As for the plot itself, I am unsure. Second film you can tell was very Reaganesque in terms of cultural inspiration so the future would be different here and it would be a bigger question on what the conflict of the story could actually be.
Hmm... don't think it would mention Marty's kids being in trouble, but maybe still traveling to the future? Though what the overall plot could be, I am unsure.
Interested to see what this version of Nickelodeon will be like. A mix of kids cartoons, sitcoms and such, as it was when I was growing up?
Yup! A lot of the classic Nick cartoons will definitely reflect the different time period, which will be fun to see. Also, because they now have an association with a superhero franchise, it gives them something to fall back on. Especially as Marvel now hits the reset button and modernizes the setting, while also figuring out which way to go.
Nice, so, one idea, a lot of the cartoons, such as X-Men and Spider-Man will be on Nickelodeon and the like, possibly. I grew up with a lot of those 90's Marvel shows.
Most likely, though with notable differences. X-Men will be a bit of an interesting one, though I imagine unlike OTL, Kitty Pryde would likely be in it.