Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

I wonder if the m/c in relation to the guns is Medium Calibre or something similar? In my mind that would be the old 3-pounder gun used in tanks like the Vickers Mediums of the interwar period. That was a 47mm gun firing at less than 2000 ft/s from memory so the idea that the new 2 pounder high velocity gun is described as
is no worse to handle than a m/c gun, the kick does not even effect the tank and the personnel - but it is a hell of a gun - it goes through 2" plate at 700 yards like butter
would make some sense.

The earlier entries for using m/c for Machine or something similar also make sense.
 
Some bits on the Vickers 2 pdr:
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In comparison the ROF 2pdr had much the same muzzle velocity but a slightly heavier projectile at 2.4 lbs, which could explain the slightly better performance.
 
It could mean different things in different contexts as well, Carden wouldn't have been the first or last to do that.

Another possibility - a shorthand version of 'motor carriage'?
 
I wonder if the m/c in relation to the guns is Medium Calibre or something similar? In my mind that would be the old 3-pounder gun used in tanks like the Vickers Mediums of the interwar period. That was a 47mm gun firing at less than 2000 ft/s from memory so the idea that the new 2 pounder high velocity gun is described as

would make some sense.

The earlier entries for using m/c for Machine or something similar also make sense.
My thought was medium calibre as well,
 
24 – 26 March 1942. Malaya
24 – 26 March 1942. Malaya

Lieutenant-General Alan Cunningham’s orders were for Mackay’s Corps to attempt to advance further up the Malaya peninsula before the Australian Corps went into reserve. Brigadier Victor Windeyer, (OC 20th Australian Brigade) had been given the task of advancing towards Alor Star, with Brigadier Raymond Tovell’s 26th Brigade in support.

During the campaign the Royal Navy’s small ships had been keeping the west coast of Malaya clear, running supplies up the coast and maintaining the stay behind forces as best they could. With the RAF having the airfield at Ipoh operational, and therefore adequate aircover guaranteed, the Royal Navy were supporting the Australian push. The light cruiser HMS Danae (6x 6-inch guns), with HMS Kashmir (6x 4.7-inch guns), were providing naval gunfire support. The two ships were accompanied by HMS Scout along with the Perak flotilla (a variety of launches, motor boats, including the Yangtze gunboats, HMS Grasshopper and Dragonfly, with increased AA capability). This flotilla had been the main force landing troops and supplies behind enemy lines.

Some Royal Marines, along with men from a variety of units, had volunteered to work with the Perak flotilla to learn how to infiltrate and exploit the Japanese weakness of having no naval support on the west coast. The flotilla carried a Company of Commandoes which would land behind the Japanese to help the Australians at the various river crossings.

As expected, 20 Brigade made good progress for the first ten miles, 2/13 Bn and 2/15 Bn arriving at the river Sala and Pendang respectively. A couple of batteries of 25-pdrs opened fire on the other side of the river, and the first of the 6-inch and 4.7-inch shells landed for the Forward Post Observer to correct the naval gunfire. After a few minutes of intense bombardment, B Company 2/13 Bn moved up and made their assault across the river unopposed. The rest of the battalion followed up, and the engineers started organising a couple of bridges for both men and vehicles.

At Pendang, 2/15th Bn swept in and around finding no sign of the enemy. The Malay volunteers found some mass graves and some locals hiding in the forest. Their account of what the Japanese had done between when they arrived and withdrew was a horror story of terrible proportions. They’d begun with confiscating all the food they could find, executed those who hid food from them, and then used the locals as slave labour. Those who could had escaped into the jungle, but the killings, rapes and exploitation had carried on unabated.

The account continued that the Japanese troops who had retreated after the battle at Ipoh were even more despicable, there was real evidence of cannibalism. The Australians had been raised in a society where fairness and justice had ruled, at least for most, and their hatred of the Japanese troops grew.

At 06:00hrs 25 March, the Brigade’s artillery began a barrage of the opposite side of the river. The two companies leading the assault already knew from the night patrols that the enemy only had some outposts closer to the Kedah River at Alor Star, and other than some booby traps and a couple of sniper teams, the Brigade was able to make rapid progress northwards. Coming to the site of the ambush of the Cavalry a few days previously, the Australians found that their dead comrades had been desecrated, and evidence that the missing men had been captured alive, tortured and murdered. The treatment of the natives had riled the Australians, but this was of a different measure altogether.

The rest of the day brought the two Australian Brigades to the Kedah River, which they cleared the approaches to. The Royal Navy had landed the commandoes behind the Japanese positions, where they created a roadblock to prevent reinforcements coming or to harass any retreating Japanese. The assault over the Kedah in three places was supported by the Royal Navy and the Australian Division’s artillery. The objectives were to advance towards the commandoes, occupy the airfield and clear out the Japanese. The first two objectives were achieved by last light, but it would take another day or two to dispose of the isolated Japanese positions that continued to resist.
 
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The rest of the day brought the two Australian Brigades to the Kedar River, which they cleared the approaches to. The Royal Navy had landed the commandoes behind the Japanese positions, where they created a roadblock to prevent reinforcements coming or to harass any retreating Japanese. The assault over the Kedar in three places was supported by the Royal Navy and the Australian Division’s artillery. The objectives were to advance towards the commandoes, occupy the airfield and clear out the Japanese. The first two objectives were achieved by last light, but it would take another day or two to dispose of the isolated Japanese positions that continued to resist.
Japanese are getting a taste of their own medicene and it will be bitter but I expect and formation sent into this will need a rest after this,
 
Nasty stuff. I expect something more like the Nuremberg Trials here than the slap-on-the-wrist they got OTL.
 
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Nasty stuff. I expect something more like the Nuremberg Trials here than the slap-on-the-wrist they got OTL.
There were war crime's trials after the war which did see a number of people swing but as OTL its likely the Cold war is inevitable. America is going to need Japan and will push to end matters early just as they did in real life.
 
There were war crime's trials after the war which did see a number of people swing but as OTL its likely the Cold war is inevitable. America is going to need Japan and will push to end matters early just as they did in real life.
Maybe. OTOH, I don't expect to see too many war criminals getting war-memorial graves this time around.
 
24 – 26 March 1942. Malaya
With the RAF having the airfield at Ipoh operational, and therefore adequate aircover guaranteed,
Huh, I do wonder what is the size of Ipoh airfield at that time, since IIRC it is smaller than Taiping airfield. I do wonder if the airfields in Perak would get an upgrade to accommodate the RAF mission in Malaya...
Some Royal Marines, along with men from a variety of units, had volunteered to work with the Perak flotilla to learn how to infiltrate and exploit the Japanese weakness of having no naval support on the east coast. The flotilla carried a Company of Commandoes which would land behind the Japanese to help the Australians at the various river crossings.

As expected, 20 Brigade made good progress for the first ten miles, 2/13 Bn and 2/15 Bn arriving at the river Sala and Pendang respectively. A couple of batteries of 25-pdrs opened fire on the other side of the river, and the first of the 6-inch and 4.7-inch shells landed for the Forward Post Observer to correct the naval gunfire. After a few minutes of intense bombardment, B Company 2/13 Bn moved up and made their assault across the river unopposed. The rest of the battalion followed up, and the engineers started organising a couple of bridges for both men and vehicles.

At Pendang, 2/15th Bn swept in and around finding no sign of the enemy. The Malay volunteers found some mass graves and some locals hiding in the forest. Their account of what the Japanese had done between when they arrived and withdrew was a horror story of terrible proportions. They’d begun with confiscating all the food they could find, executed those who hid food from them, and then used the locals as slave labour. Those who could had escaped into the jungle, but the killings, rapes and exploitation had carried on unabated.
Oh dear, and the Japanese are probably so desperate that they are probably also the atrocities on the Malays, which would be provide an interesting dynamic in the politics of Malaya, especially from Kedah perspective since 2 of IOTL Malaysia prime ministers (with tenure combined comprising more than half of post independence history) are from Kedah.
The account continued that the Japanese troops who had retreated after the battle at Ipoh were even more despicable, there was real evidence of cannibalism. The Australians had been raised in a society where fairness and justice had ruled, at least for most, and their hatred of the Japanese troops grew.

At 06:00hrs 25 March, the Brigade’s artillery began a barrage of the opposite side of the river. The two companies leading the assault already knew from the night patrols that the enemy only had some outposts closer to the Kedar River at Alor Star, and other than some booby traps and a couple of sniper teams, the Brigade was able to make rapid progress northwards. Coming to the site of the ambush of the Cavalry a few days previously, the Australians found that their dead comrades had been desecrated, and evidence that the missing men had been captured alive, tortured and murdered. The treatment of the natives had riled the Australians, but this was of a different measure altogether.

The rest of the day brought the two Australian Brigades to the Kedar River, which they cleared the approaches to. The Royal Navy had landed the commandoes behind the Japanese positions, where they created a roadblock to prevent reinforcements coming or to harass any retreating Japanese. The assault over the Kedar in three places was supported by the Royal Navy and the Australian Division’s artillery. The objectives were to advance towards the commandoes, occupy the airfield and clear out the Japanese. The first two objectives were achieved by last light, but it would take another day or two to dispose of the isolated Japanese positions that continued to resist.
And looks like they have retaken Alor Setar, which is good progress, and hopefully they would cross the Thai border at the end of April at the latest.


P/s: As someone who as like to look at old maps of the mentioned areas after reading your Malaya updates(like this one that show the the viability of building an airfield for example), I can't help but notice that you (or let's be honest probably the autocorrect)type Kedah River as Kedar River.....I thought it was perhaps an old spelling or even referring to a different small river/canal perhaps, but I could not find any mention of that particular spelling anywhere at the Singaporean archives.
 
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24 – 26 March 1942. Malaya

Lieutenant-General Alan Cunningham’s orders were for Mackay’s Corps to attempt to advance further up the Malaya peninsula before the Australian Corps went into reserve. Brigadier Victor Windeyer, (OC 20th Australian Brigade) had been given the task of advancing towards Alor Star, with Brigadier Raymond Tovell’s 26th Brigade in support.

During the campaign the Royal Navy’s small ships had been keeping the east coast of Malaya clear, running supplies up the coast and maintaining the stay behind forces as best they could. With the RAF having the airfield at Ipoh operational, and therefore adequate aircover guaranteed, the Royal Navy were supporting the Australian push. The light cruiser HMS Danae (6x 6-inch guns), with HMS Kashmir (6x 4.7-inch guns), were providing naval gunfire support. The two ships were accompanied by HMS Scout along with the Perak flotilla (a variety of launches, motor boats, including the old Yangtze gunboats, HMS Grasshopper and Dragonfly, with increased AA capability). This flotilla had been the main force landing troops and supplies behind enemy lines.

Some Royal Marines, along with men from a variety of units, had volunteered to work with the Perak flotilla to learn how to infiltrate and exploit the Japanese weakness of having no naval support on the east coast. The flotilla carried a Company of Commandoes which would land behind the Japanese to help the Australians at the various river crossings.
Did you mean west coast here? Alor Star/Setah and the Kedah river are both on the west coast and it would make more sense the that west coast was the one where the Japanese had no naval support.

What's the status of the IJAAF currently? They still have the airbases in southern Thailand, so presumably they can still contest the airspace of northern Malaya.
 
What's the status of the IJAAF currently? They still have the airbases in southern Thailand, so presumably they can still contest the airspace of northern Malaya.
Unless said bases are on the Malaya Peninsula itself, they're somewhat further from the action than the British airbases are, and thus, their aircraft can spend less time over the battlefield.
 
Post-war will be interesting for anyone in Malay or Singapore who spoke out in favour of Imperial Japan won't be in anyones good books.

Though I have to wonder if anyone has caught Patrick Stanley Vaughan Heenan given the change in events?
 
P/s: As someone who as like to look at old maps of the mentioned areas after reading your Malaya updates(like this one that show the the viability of building an airfield for example), I can't help but notice that you (or let's be honest probably the autocorrect)type Kedah River as Kedar River.....I thought it was perhaps an old spelling or even referring to a different small river/canal perhaps, but I could not find any mention of that particular spelling anywhere at the Singaporean archives.
Thanks for pointing that out, have edited it now. Can't blame autocorrect for it, just not careful enough. Likewise @Merrick , don't seem to know my left from my right, also now edited East coast to West.
Ta
Allan
 
A minor nit, the " Yangtse gunboats, HMS Grasshopper and HMS Dragonfly" are two of the youngest ships in the forces, both commissioning in June 1939.

Another great installment.

Gator
24 – 26 March 1942. Malaya

Lieutenant-General Alan Cunningham’s orders were for Mackay’s Corps to attempt to advance further up the Malaya peninsula before the Australian Corps went into reserve. Brigadier Victor Windeyer, (OC 20th Australian Brigade) had been given the task of advancing towards Alor Star, with Brigadier Raymond Tovell’s 26th Brigade in support.

During the campaign the Royal Navy’s small ships had been keeping the west coast of Malaya clear, running supplies up the coast and maintaining the stay behind forces as best they could. With the RAF having the airfield at Ipoh operational, and therefore adequate aircover guaranteed, the Royal Navy were supporting the Australian push. The light cruiser HMS Danae (6x 6-inch guns), with HMS Kashmir (6x 4.7-inch guns), were providing naval gunfire support. The two ships were accompanied by HMS Scout along with the Perak flotilla (a variety of launches, motor boats, including the old Yangtze gunboats, HMS Grasshopper and Dragonfly, with increased AA capability). This flotilla had been the main force landing troops and supplies behind enemy lines.

Some Royal Marines, along with men from a variety of units, had volunteered to work with the Perak flotilla to learn how to infiltrate and exploit the Japanese weakness of having no naval support on the west coast. The flotilla carried a Company of Commandoes which would land behind the Japanese to help the Australians at the various river crossings.

As expected, 20 Brigade made good progress for the first ten miles, 2/13 Bn and 2/15 Bn arriving at the river Sala and Pendang respectively. A couple of batteries of 25-pdrs opened fire on the other side of the river, and the first of the 6-inch and 4.7-inch shells landed for the Forward Post Observer to correct the naval gunfire. After a few minutes of intense bombardment, B Company 2/13 Bn moved up and made their assault across the river unopposed. The rest of the battalion followed up, and the engineers started organising a couple of bridges for both men and vehicles.

At Pendang, 2/15th Bn swept in and around finding no sign of the enemy. The Malay volunteers found some mass graves and some locals hiding in the forest. Their account of what the Japanese had done between when they arrived and withdrew was a horror story of terrible proportions. They’d begun with confiscating all the food they could find, executed those who hid food from them, and then used the locals as slave labour. Those who could had escaped into the jungle, but the killings, rapes and exploitation had carried on unabated.

The account continued that the Japanese troops who had retreated after the battle at Ipoh were even more despicable, there was real evidence of cannibalism. The Australians had been raised in a society where fairness and justice had ruled, at least for most, and their hatred of the Japanese troops grew.

At 06:00hrs 25 March, the Brigade’s artillery began a barrage of the opposite side of the river. The two companies leading the assault already knew from the night patrols that the enemy only had some outposts closer to the Kedah River at Alor Star, and other than some booby traps and a couple of sniper teams, the Brigade was able to make rapid progress northwards. Coming to the site of the ambush of the Cavalry a few days previously, the Australians found that their dead comrades had been desecrated, and evidence that the missing men had been captured alive, tortured and murdered. The treatment of the natives had riled the Australians, but this was of a different measure altogether.

The rest of the day brought the two Australian Brigades to the Kedah River, which they cleared the approaches to. The Royal Navy had landed the commandoes behind the Japanese positions, where they created a roadblock to prevent reinforcements coming or to harass any retreating Japanese. The assault over the Kedah in three places was supported by the Royal Navy and the Australian Division’s artillery. The objectives were to advance towards the commandoes, occupy the airfield and clear out the Japanese. The first two objectives were achieved by last light, but it would take another day or two to dispose of the isolated Japanese positions that continued to resist.
 
The was in the far east is likely to become a no-quarter-given-or-asked conflict very soon. Most Japanese troops don't surrender and with their treatment of civilians and captured British troops increasingly widely known, I doubt the Australians and other British Empire/Dominion soldiers are likely to surrender or be particularily willing to take prisoners.
 
The was in the far east is likely to become a no-quarter-given-or-asked conflict very soon. Most Japanese troops don't surrender and with their treatment of civilians and captured British troops increasingly widely known, I doubt the Australians and other British Empire/Dominion soldiers are likely to surrender or be particularily willing to take prisoners.
I expect them to give Japanese soldiers One chance to surrender in a given skirmish or phase of a battle. And Only One Chance.

Then be quite content, when the answer is No, to simply kill everyone in front of them or whose positions they overrun.
 
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